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tv   The Listening Post 2019 Ep 2  Al Jazeera  January 16, 2019 8:32am-9:01am +03

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sixteen there are no you don't have a group are you and i'll swear the ash and run i'm just going to stop you for a second article three sixty eight article sixteen can we do this conversation without all of the articles this talk about the broader principles so what ash i'm thinking about your p. j. p. the voting party in india this bill this is just shit bill has got a lot of blowback people are really upset even your allies other parties are upset with you why. look we have to see these billions even how did years india has been a country few the us are good at communities from iran and other parts of the world now in the modern set of you need a legal status for defuses for a prosecutor population and the last twenty years we have seen that many persecuted communities from different parts of what is basically from of gonna stand down and bangladesh they have come in india so we have to differentiate between us you could
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get people and those were coming for economic benefit there is a difference between both of them and we should become those were persecuted those who cannot go back to their territory and we cannot compare this build on the. sea i could be a bridge builder. coming to live there it's say excuse me yes come on you go first and summit out then you follow up come ahead. you know i think you cannot differentiate between those who are persecuted and those who come just for economic benefit we have our neighbors who are in an economic crisis look at bangladesh not a country which is doing great we have a million mark not a country which is doing great we have pakistan be having turner problems so we will always have these people who are trying to come into india for a better life now india as a big brother should be looking at the welfare of these countries india is a very powerful country and india can therefore do that deal we are able to look
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after these smaller countries and create an atmosphere where these countries can develop trust in themselves we can continue to have refugees immigrants come in you can not differentiate at all between those who are persecuted and pretty then the problems that are like that's the problem that the assamese people have they believe that assamese has become a dumping ground for immigrants coming from everywhere so therefore the indigenous people are not comfortable with that they feel that they have cultural fabric is slowly getting destroyed because of a lot of immigrants if you the pressure that is what they're fighting against let me just remind you that some of our is the chief advisor and the spokesperson says the assam students' union some just ahead. this bill is a for me neal bill it's. a nice little bit. of the i didn't get. the number of this. is
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underpaid because of this bill that they're all going to disappear although some. organism has all. of the country was one when the big beetle was introduced into lots of us this is. very clear to us and a sovereign not. a farm and something. we cannot accept this bill was in this bill there is a comic order was signed in nineteen if you write for hysterical someone when we are comic artist those liberal studies of our reserve and you want to learn muslim concerning islam by having students but after that when you want to move their bills react well it's not going to build what and are illegal what are you going to what i remember him doing you may be muslim we cannot accept this coming year bill and there are some innocuous cannot be the dumping ground for illegal bungler this
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is the business we let central government was. we got the memo that god i've got a mental. level committee to look into all of our medical and i'm. sure that shot somebody else not a challenge i hear you also saw a gash also he's not saying they could have done a dumping ground so daschle is trying to have a conversation with you and. i hear all of you i want to clarify for our audience because i'm seeing loss of conversation about this on mine that there are actually two prongs of opposition to this bill and so what i shall give this to you but on the one hand is the problem of people who say this bill is anti muslim this is khalid on twitter he says that this really exposes. what he calls the anti muslim bias of the current far right government of india he gets pushback from someone who says that those opposing this amendment this bill are doing this only to appease
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muslims the muslim refugees have several countries to take shelter so where the hindus sikhs jayne's buddhists and christians where will they go if they are tortured in pakistan afghanistan or bangladesh so that's probably one of opposition to this saying that it is anti muslim in the pushback saying it isn't on the other side though this tweet really echoes what you heard some of our saying earlier rashad says that india is for indians a sound is in india therefore a summons are for indians and not for illegal immigrants so it's that point for a dash i'd like you to address the people in assam who say this is not fair for the citizens the current citizens who are there now. the people of the misinformed or we should learn from our history what happened one hundred emails back and what happened in nine hundred forty seven islamic state of pakistan well built on the line sought religion only so that's why muslims are not prosecuted so
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the minority hindu christians are. they are they were persecuted they were treated and they came they come every year more than five thousand in those are minorities they come to india illegal migrants so we need to give a legal status to them those who come as a legal magnet for economic benefit we have to deal with them and we will deal with them properly. and i was saying so if we are not learning from our history you know what happened with mali if you want to convert. what happened restricted because. you really are. a far cry from or maybe are this regard from a court works very well or all of the country did not detect one of illegal border guards. so jeff you know i ask you something as somebody who studied a little bit of indian history but i forgotten some of it so much of a state anything that swadeshi all the beekeeping part can do to
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make you feel comfortable with the citizenship bill or do you just want to get rid of it completely little if. you believe i mean you know if you elect the more you improve i'm going to be we're going to build up with grip is i don't think that's what it's about to get i think that's very clear let me just move on yeah you hear position it has to be scrapped ron i just want to share this tweet the you put out a little while ago you say here the amended bill pulse on jan eighth makes it clear that muslims are not welcome in india and it's a very transparent attempt to stroke the which is probably why i say should it be for a general election shed or for a pool slash may and always feel like this is the gorilla in the room of the elephant in the room where every sort of scatting around the elections all coming what has this bill got to do with elections as far as you're concerned. let me let's get to the realities of this bill has only been part of the lower house of the parliament it is unlikely that it will be passed in the upper house because the government does not have the numbers. the government even need the government has
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to bring an ordinance and even to be doing an ordinance it needs the power of the parliament to purely not be easy for the government so that if the government trying to achieve when you have three months left or the general election then you have not dealt with in your promises but we know the resolution always works in a country which is divided to religious lines so that the media claimed against bill and other and other decisions made by this government is to stoke to memorize and die what are the subjects on which the government is going very well but the unemployment you know whether it is inflation as of this is the only. plan and who does the government is talking quite in the northeast. it was interesting you know know you. so i can get interesting. you around and you see that if i am balanced if i'm to look at it in a very balanced way for the drug insist of the northeast where many people have
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gone out to the street this is really what they're protesting is not really about the bill being anti muslim or not most of them want to protect their homes from illegal immigrants now if you look at the entire state of us some that is what they're worried about the state is already burdened as i said earlier with illegal immigrants who number anywhere up to ten million so that is already one of the worries that they have the feel that this bill is passed then more people are going to come from bangladesh into law it's like a son made his very if you are. a child in this bail those who gave before talk it was december two thousand they would be granted to just to pick up the property school they should have to live in india far more than six years so you cannot say that the numbers that are going to the right are going to be those in the country i don't think feel like
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a big number but you cannot say the floodgates would be open and only one is there any longer one or any or all of the country. usually created still everyone just after the finish is sent to the army can handle her when she said this. and weeks and we are also giving constitutionally status to plus six of us army corps and we are also we have also given dr alistair just a six month life committees of us and so what agenda is to protect india's population of asylum along with those what prosecutors in pakistan bangladesh are of the distance so this is a lot at hand and it has nothing to do with the election law and by god election with local government elections took place and we get people with something bigger to be given how about that even under pressure but under pressure that you are the party and they also can't get it and they lost badly. so i'm going to jump in here because i want to bring in this comment we got live from someone who is a citizen of assam he says stop talking about hindu and muslim we the people of the
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northeast are suffering get those illegals out or make them live in northern india states indian states we don't care whether they're hindu or muslim this person goes on to say that they are from the northeastern state of us and whether hindu muslim or whatever i don't want them in my state modi should take them to ghostwrite states and picking up on something somewhere that you were mentioning that india is for indians and not for people who are not from the country talk to us about what will happen going forward do you think that this will pass. under the little student or give me the. part you are going to. have love you have got if you become a martyr people are going to know if we come up there will be called. people who are far more important than the that we are we are continuing our movement that you're probably going to get it but then programming is keeping mom you know
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dumping very well being on the people of our family and not going to always going to. tell you look bad or illegal illegal my grand. daughter. going to bother being you know i'm gone when i'm repeating again you know what do you know some of them i'm not i've got some of that you know if you're somebody i let me just ask you this it's people watching this will wonder why you're so passionate and also you seem to be really angry can you tell us what it is that is making you so angry so that we understand the passion of which a splitter. yes i can cite one example from the nine tribal business. it is a protected area where the tribal people it is enclosed by illegal bungalow because these are going to be not. any longer be what i said you do then brought by the league of bangladesh. because i learned that by legal gun law this is all double
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good report that we had saying all this by because bill will become a minority in our own mother lives that we cannot we cannot we are not like a second class did not need our own mother that we have. the. union then we can minority old mother that people are not being not prepared to live like i'm. getting off with that because. in your in your. state. area you will be a minority and i'm hearing some. yes go ahead. some were just some were judges will also tell you but the doctor who was attacking the lump of look at them is people and who was encouraging this area and it's very much clear that illegal migrants from bangladesh. and those are what as you could get they will definitely not that they will they will fight for their own existence
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those who came here to fight economic benefit those are what encroaching black lands and those who are encroaching as some would tell you what they that day because god did a little but those are a tag line also that al-qa'ida and that little part there should be definitely stopped and those are what particular. bill they should be given proper treatment so. we can make a difference at the edges of like you do a little not a stop in on us in the attack all india is going to. get in that part of her are those are not counted that is really what parents here had come across one of them ago has been is that so the system of the just let me amend that coming i have seen any scrutiny is impossible whether so much corruption when illegal immigrant crosses from the bangladeshi border for as little as fifty dollars he pays he gets a passage into india he comes into india and for as little as you know less than fifty dollars he is able to make a router card which is necessary as
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a citizen in india for you to watch you know he even gets in certain extreme cases a passport a government passport that's the level of corruption if that is the level of corruption how do you verify these countries are stressed we will have more and more people coming in so the idea that only those who are persecuted would be allowed into that ideal situation and i don't see any luck at all there. is little events that's also not concerned that is very much the people of the north east are these are purely that this will open for. it's us ramos or illegals offered over political onslaught ad. is a comma i hear what you say i'm just trying to see what actually is a response so let me just share this with everybody this comes from the b j p for india twitter page it says the modi government is committed to protecting the cultural and social identity of the assamese people one final thought i would like
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to get from you is that you say that the citizenship bill for the b j p is not politically motivated but what's happened now and the stirring up in the protests how could that potentially impact that the j.-p. politically. look the ward across the. northeast not to start really bright a little dead last month local body election took place in assam and b j p one even without us i'm going to push admit you don't know party which live be dip if you will back but in that election us i'm going to. understand separately and but be given a lot of more than obviously. you don't these at the depth and unfortunately amenable and the people of.

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